Worcester car park charges to go... DOWN!

Tewkesbury Admag: Car park charges to go... DOWN! Car park charges to go... DOWN!

PARKING charges are to be reduced in a bid to entice more visitors into Worcester.

Charges are set to fall for long-stay and evening spaces, while ‘very short term’ prices will be introduced amid concerns that residential streets are “crammed” with cars belonging to workers, shoppers and tourists.

Meanwhile, in Herefordshire, a decision has been made to increase most fees.

Worcester City Council is concerned that hundreds of spaces in its 15 city centre car parks remain empty as drivers choose cheaper private sites.

The 780-capacity St Martin’s Gate facility has at least 300 empty spaces every day as motorists flood to nearby Asda, which offers three hours for £1.

A report is due out on Monday outlining a range of new tariffs which will be introduced from February, subject to agreement at full council later this month.

Councillor Marc Bayliss, deputy leader and cabinet member for economic prosperity, said: “If you price people out of car parks people use side streets and the immediate areas around the city centre.

“We know we’ve got car parks that are underused, and at the same time residential streets crammed full of cars.”

He said the council’s current long term fee was out of kilter with the rest of the market and the new tariffs would attempt to address that, as well as help the evening economy by launching cheaper twilight rates.

Nick Hunt, who owns Saffrons Bistro in New Street, said: “The last couple of years we’ve seen a downturn – anything that encourages more people to come into Worcester would be a help.”

Duncan Minshull, manager of Chesters Restaurant and Bar, also in New Street, added: “It’s a great idea – this is something I’ve noticed other cities have done.”

Most day-time fees are expected to stay the same for the fourth year in a row.

In the 2011/12 financial year the council earned £2.98 million from parking charges, and £2.87 million the previous year.

During the summer the council cut all-day rates from June until September to £1.80 in a bid to get more visitors into the city centre, but prices have since gone back up.

The new charges, which are being kept strictly under wraps until Monday, will need to be agreed by a meeting of the full council on November 27.

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10:16am Fri 2 Nov 12

uptonX says...

Stupid council even get it wrong when they try to get it right. Why wait until Februrary, do it now (or at least later this month) so the traders benefit in the run-up to Christmas.
Stupid council even get it wrong when they try to get it right. Why wait until Februrary, do it now (or at least later this month) so the traders benefit in the run-up to Christmas. uptonX
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10:48am Fri 2 Nov 12

paulfrenchpolisher says...

The penny has dropped!
The penny has dropped! paulfrenchpolisher
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11:06am Fri 2 Nov 12

julie allsopp says...

AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.
AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense. julie allsopp
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11:20am Fri 2 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ... mr_wilson15
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11:46am Fri 2 Nov 12

saucerer says...

Why has taken so long for the penny to drop at the council. A quick check to see that the Asda car park is always full, and the nearby council ones aren't, is a bit of a give away. Were they in the queue when brains were being issued?
Why has taken so long for the penny to drop at the council. A quick check to see that the Asda car park is always full, and the nearby council ones aren't, is a bit of a give away. Were they in the queue when brains were being issued? saucerer
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12:00pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates)

Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money.
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates) Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money. Vox populi
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12:16pm Fri 2 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Vox populi wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote:
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates)

Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money.
You sound awfully busy and important. Perhaps it's time to relax and take life a bit less seriously. I seriously doubt, given Worcester's traffic, you'd spend any more of your valuable time getting a bus anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates) Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money.[/p][/quote]You sound awfully busy and important. Perhaps it's time to relax and take life a bit less seriously. I seriously doubt, given Worcester's traffic, you'd spend any more of your valuable time getting a bus anyway. mr_wilson15
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12:43pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Our Tory leaders have often shown their colors on money grabbing from those they think are a captive audience, and frequently show their ignorance, but they still strut as if they really are the top dogs, when in fact they are supposed to represent we voters. Their demonstration of how to take from the poor and give to the rich is very apparent in most actions taken against the most vulnerable in society and giving additional monies to the Millionaires or very rich.
I do hope they fail locally in the elections they deserve it.
Our Tory leaders have often shown their colors on money grabbing from those they think are a captive audience, and frequently show their ignorance, but they still strut as if they really are the top dogs, when in fact they are supposed to represent we voters. Their demonstration of how to take from the poor and give to the rich is very apparent in most actions taken against the most vulnerable in society and giving additional monies to the Millionaires or very rich. I do hope they fail locally in the elections they deserve it. Jabbadad
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1:24pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Malaky says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
The last of the great thinkers!

The people of Worcester have already said no to Park & Ride by voting with their feet!

Is the council the master or the servant?

Trying to force such a plan on the people would kill-of what remains of the Worcester shopping scene.

The sooner this misconceived idea is dismantled the better, to save the taxpayers money that is being squandered on this unused service.
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]The last of the great thinkers! The people of Worcester have already said no to Park & Ride by voting with their feet! Is the council the master or the servant? Trying to force such a plan on the people would kill-of what remains of the Worcester shopping scene. The sooner this misconceived idea is dismantled the better, to save the taxpayers money that is being squandered on this unused service. Malaky
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1:36pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Vox populi wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates) Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money.
You sound awfully busy and important. Perhaps it's time to relax and take life a bit less seriously. I seriously doubt, given Worcester's traffic, you'd spend any more of your valuable time getting a bus anyway.
Yup busy doing my part to drag this country out of a recession. :-)

Serious is not a word one would use to describe me! Time is however what everyone lacks in modern society and I prefer to spend mine with my family than waiting for a bus. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vox populi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]At which point you would lose my trade. Sorry I don't have the time to park, spend 10 minutes waiting for a bus, 10 minutes on it, buy the item I want, 10 minutes waiting for the return bus and 10 minutes on it. (conservative estimates) Apologies, I am not a pensioner, time IS money.[/p][/quote]You sound awfully busy and important. Perhaps it's time to relax and take life a bit less seriously. I seriously doubt, given Worcester's traffic, you'd spend any more of your valuable time getting a bus anyway.[/p][/quote]Yup busy doing my part to drag this country out of a recession. :-) Serious is not a word one would use to describe me! Time is however what everyone lacks in modern society and I prefer to spend mine with my family than waiting for a bus. ;-) Vox populi
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1:50pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Allan Whitehead says...

First, can I state clearly that I do not work or reside in Worcester, yet I frequently visit Worcester and Malvern? Car parking on Council Run Car parks is policed with car park attendants, I doubt if ASDA, or any other of these privately owned car parks provides any attendants. While I fully admit these roaming (Council) attendants, do not attend on the car parks every minute of the day. Their presence is a deterrent to those who are seeking to do damage or pilfer from parked vehicles. It must be also stated. No matter what disclaimer is printed on the ticket, if they charge you for parking they must be insured for third party liability, and damage. The only problem about charges and wanting to encourage people to visit Worcester for the benefit of the local traders, is that the Council, if they are serious about attracting locals to their shopping area’s They should provide a period of free parking from say 1300hrs
To 1700hrs on a daily basis, anyone parking before or after these times would have to pay. Visitors such as me who would arrive in the morning would do as we do now pay for the time we are intending to stop in Worcester, and then go about our business.
First, can I state clearly that I do not work or reside in Worcester, yet I frequently visit Worcester and Malvern? Car parking on Council Run Car parks is policed with car park attendants, I doubt if ASDA, or any other of these privately owned car parks provides any attendants. While I fully admit these roaming (Council) attendants, do not attend on the car parks every minute of the day. Their presence is a deterrent to those who are seeking to do damage or pilfer from parked vehicles. It must be also stated. No matter what disclaimer is printed on the ticket, if they charge you for parking they must be insured for third party liability, and damage. The only problem about charges and wanting to encourage people to visit Worcester for the benefit of the local traders, is that the Council, if they are serious about attracting locals to their shopping area’s They should provide a period of free parking from say 1300hrs To 1700hrs on a daily basis, anyone parking before or after these times would have to pay. Visitors such as me who would arrive in the morning would do as we do now pay for the time we are intending to stop in Worcester, and then go about our business. Allan Whitehead
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1:55pm Fri 2 Nov 12

jdg says...

Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?
Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme? jdg
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2:17pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Allan Whitehead says...

jdg wrote:
Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?
How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours
£ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.
[quote][p][bold]jdg[/bold] wrote: Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?[/p][/quote]How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours £ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply. Allan Whitehead
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3:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

brooksider says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
Oxford has a larger population than Worcester and 8 million visitors per year, so not realy similar at all.
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]Oxford has a larger population than Worcester and 8 million visitors per year, so not realy similar at all. brooksider
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3:26pm Fri 2 Nov 12

The Doosra says...

brooksider wrote:
mr_wilson15 wrote:
Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...
Oxford has a larger population than Worcester and 8 million visitors per year, so not realy similar at all.
And Oxford has more miles of dual-carriageway too. Apart from that very similar!
[quote][p][bold]brooksider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Solution? Remove ALL parking and invest the cash into park and ride schemes. Just look at what it's done for Oxford, a city of similar size and street widths ...[/p][/quote]Oxford has a larger population than Worcester and 8 million visitors per year, so not realy similar at all.[/p][/quote]And Oxford has more miles of dual-carriageway too. Apart from that very similar! The Doosra
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3:38pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Oxfords roads are nothing like the ones here in the city. They are wider, flatter and encouraging to cyclists, they have excellent Park & Ride.
As to Asda carpaking, even at £1, since they opened not only has there been serious traffic congestion around that area, and there has been a real surge of selfish lazy penny pinching shoppers who are parking on Aldi's carpark, even in the Disabled bays and going shopping into Asda. You even find Asda shopping trolleys on the Aldi carpark. So first they should be made to have their trolleys coin operated, or have free car parking as Aldi do. And just not £1 back at the tills after you have bought their more expensive products.
Oxfords roads are nothing like the ones here in the city. They are wider, flatter and encouraging to cyclists, they have excellent Park & Ride. As to Asda carpaking, even at £1, since they opened not only has there been serious traffic congestion around that area, and there has been a real surge of selfish lazy penny pinching shoppers who are parking on Aldi's carpark, even in the Disabled bays and going shopping into Asda. You even find Asda shopping trolleys on the Aldi carpark. So first they should be made to have their trolleys coin operated, or have free car parking as Aldi do. And just not £1 back at the tills after you have bought their more expensive products. Jabbadad
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3:50pm Fri 2 Nov 12

iamthebinman says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Our Tory leaders have often shown their colors on money grabbing from those they think are a captive audience, and frequently show their ignorance, but they still strut as if they really are the top dogs, when in fact they are supposed to represent we voters. Their demonstration of how to take from the poor and give to the rich is very apparent in most actions taken against the most vulnerable in society and giving additional monies to the Millionaires or very rich.
I do hope they fail locally in the elections they deserve it.
Brilliant! Finally a story that no one can blame the Tories for taking money from the poor and then.......

They have just cut parking prices!!

That helps people who struggle to afford expensive parking chages!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Our Tory leaders have often shown their colors on money grabbing from those they think are a captive audience, and frequently show their ignorance, but they still strut as if they really are the top dogs, when in fact they are supposed to represent we voters. Their demonstration of how to take from the poor and give to the rich is very apparent in most actions taken against the most vulnerable in society and giving additional monies to the Millionaires or very rich. I do hope they fail locally in the elections they deserve it.[/p][/quote]Brilliant! Finally a story that no one can blame the Tories for taking money from the poor and then....... They have just cut parking prices!! That helps people who struggle to afford expensive parking chages! iamthebinman
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4:08pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

They are not reducing the charges from a point of being nice Tories, they got it wrong again by constantly rising the costs until they managed to almost empty the carparks, EXCEPT the FREE ONE behind the GUILDHALL of course.
They are not reducing the charges from a point of being nice Tories, they got it wrong again by constantly rising the costs until they managed to almost empty the carparks, EXCEPT the FREE ONE behind the GUILDHALL of course. Jabbadad
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4:17pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Vox populi says...

Obviously very poor if they can afford a car that they need to park….
I don't understand your argument Jabbadad apart from the belief that if you are in your mind "poor" then everything should be provided for you free of charge.
Where is the old British attitude that you are what you make of yourself, it isn't anyone elses fault, living on hand outs is not good. You don't have something unless you can afford to pay for it…? That includes cars and parking them.
Obviously very poor if they can afford a car that they need to park…. I don't understand your argument Jabbadad apart from the belief that if you are in your mind "poor" then everything should be provided for you free of charge. Where is the old British attitude that you are what you make of yourself, it isn't anyone elses fault, living on hand outs is not good. You don't have something unless you can afford to pay for it…? That includes cars and parking them. Vox populi
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4:59pm Fri 2 Nov 12

iamthebinman says...

The prices were have been going up since I moved here twelve years ago and I am perfectly happy to pile blame on government for that but why does everything need to be blamed on Tories when rip-off Britian has been going on for ages! (And I have never voted Tory!)
The prices were have been going up since I moved here twelve years ago and I am perfectly happy to pile blame on government for that but why does everything need to be blamed on Tories when rip-off Britian has been going on for ages! (And I have never voted Tory!) iamthebinman
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5:49pm Fri 2 Nov 12

wooshman says...

Allan Whitehead wrote:
jdg wrote:
Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?
How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours
£ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.
And that is a good idea, but councillors will need to debate this at length, have reports from committees, break into political parties for any vote, refer it to scrutiny before any decision is made. So February for a decision we should be so lucky
[quote][p][bold]Allan Whitehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jdg[/bold] wrote: Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?[/p][/quote]How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours £ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.[/p][/quote]And that is a good idea, but councillors will need to debate this at length, have reports from committees, break into political parties for any vote, refer it to scrutiny before any decision is made. So February for a decision we should be so lucky wooshman
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5:52pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Good point jdg, when it was known that the new ticket machines that take credit cards were also more accurate to the charging it was mentioned that with a credit card no cash change is required so if the duration time of parking is under the hour then that is all the charge should be to your card, But no Marc Bayliss threw his toys out of his pram at the criticisms, but the machines still take the extra money I think.
Please correct me vox if I am wrong you do over anything else. Oh Sad One.
Good point jdg, when it was known that the new ticket machines that take credit cards were also more accurate to the charging it was mentioned that with a credit card no cash change is required so if the duration time of parking is under the hour then that is all the charge should be to your card, But no Marc Bayliss threw his toys out of his pram at the criticisms, but the machines still take the extra money I think. Please correct me vox if I am wrong you do over anything else. Oh Sad One. Jabbadad
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7:17pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Omicron says...

julie allsopp wrote:
AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.
I remember when the council introduced charging after 6.00pm. I think it was about 1992 or 93. The charge was only 20p. The charge had been in force for about a week before Worcester Tech had their enrolment evening(s). I took my daughter down to enroll and parked on the Copenhagen Street car park behind the college at about 6.30 in the evening. Luckily I knew about the charge and duly paid my 20p. There were many others who were not aware that this charge of 20p was now payable. The officials were out in force making a killing on the many people who were using the car park that particular evening as no doubt they knew that the car park would be well used.
So, what I did was to go and stand by the car park entrance and flag down every car and tell the driver what was happening and that they needed to pay 20p to avoid a ticket. One of the "officials" came up to me and told me to stop as I was being obstructive and that he would call the police if I continued to warn people. With that I took two steps forward so I was standing on the footpath of the highway and not council property and promptly told the official to get stuffed.
A police officer duly arrived and decided that I was actually not committing any offence.
[quote][p][bold]julie allsopp[/bold] wrote: AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.[/p][/quote]I remember when the council introduced charging after 6.00pm. I think it was about 1992 or 93. The charge was only 20p. The charge had been in force for about a week before Worcester Tech had their enrolment evening(s). I took my daughter down to enroll and parked on the Copenhagen Street car park behind the college at about 6.30 in the evening. Luckily I knew about the charge and duly paid my 20p. There were many others who were not aware that this charge of 20p was now payable. The officials were out in force making a killing on the many people who were using the car park that particular evening as no doubt they knew that the car park would be well used. So, what I did was to go and stand by the car park entrance and flag down every car and tell the driver what was happening and that they needed to pay 20p to avoid a ticket. One of the "officials" came up to me and told me to stop as I was being obstructive and that he would call the police if I continued to warn people. With that I took two steps forward so I was standing on the footpath of the highway and not council property and promptly told the official to get stuffed. A police officer duly arrived and decided that I was actually not committing any offence. Omicron
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7:41pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Well Done Omicron, Similar confusion after Simon Geraghty when had thrown the disabled off St Swithun Street in favor of the Taxis, for at least a couple of weeks there were just small signs several feet up in the air saying Taxis only, the lines for disabled parking were still visible on the roads, around the trinity additional yellow lines were painted overnight diagonal to the kerb's which meant according to the Highway code no blue badges before 9.30am or after 4.30pm again NO SIGNS , some of the Traffic Wardens (the men) were warning and explaining the changes to the Blue Badge holders and visitors to this City, the Women Traffic Wardens just waded in giving tickets as fast as they could write them. And all the time this was going on the Taxi's were then and still are parking just where ever they wanted and the Traffic Wardens just walk past them.
Paul Denham said he would sort this out, HAS HE ???? Well the taxi's were still there today all over the place.
Well Done Omicron, Similar confusion after Simon Geraghty when had thrown the disabled off St Swithun Street in favor of the Taxis, for at least a couple of weeks there were just small signs several feet up in the air saying Taxis only, the lines for disabled parking were still visible on the roads, around the trinity additional yellow lines were painted overnight diagonal to the kerb's which meant according to the Highway code no blue badges before 9.30am or after 4.30pm again NO SIGNS , some of the Traffic Wardens (the men) were warning and explaining the changes to the Blue Badge holders and visitors to this City, the Women Traffic Wardens just waded in giving tickets as fast as they could write them. And all the time this was going on the Taxi's were then and still are parking just where ever they wanted and the Traffic Wardens just walk past them. Paul Denham said he would sort this out, HAS HE ???? Well the taxi's were still there today all over the place. Jabbadad
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11:29pm Fri 2 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Ahh apologies to all ...

I've changed my mind, reviewing the above comments. What I actually want in Worcester is more congestion. In fact, we could even turn the streets themselves into free car parking, and single handedly send the economy through the roof.
Ahh apologies to all ... I've changed my mind, reviewing the above comments. What I actually want in Worcester is more congestion. In fact, we could even turn the streets themselves into free car parking, and single handedly send the economy through the roof. mr_wilson15
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5:16am Sat 3 Nov 12

SAVA9E says...

I did laugh when it was suggested that i drive from lowerwick to perdiswell to catch the park and ride.
I did laugh when it was suggested that i drive from lowerwick to perdiswell to catch the park and ride. SAVA9E
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8:56am Sat 3 Nov 12

brooksider says...

mr_wilson15 wrote:
Ahh apologies to all ...

I've changed my mind, reviewing the above comments. What I actually want in Worcester is more congestion. In fact, we could even turn the streets themselves into free car parking, and single handedly send the economy through the roof.
Unfortunately the current Park and Ride schemes and their empty buses only add to congestion.

Shoppers, workers and visitors to the City are the lifeblood of the local economy but are seen by both Worcestershire and Worcester City Councils as a problem and as such are poorly treated and used as cash cows.

Thanks to poor decision making by our Councils and vested interests, we still haven't got what we really need, a ring road.
[quote][p][bold]mr_wilson15[/bold] wrote: Ahh apologies to all ... I've changed my mind, reviewing the above comments. What I actually want in Worcester is more congestion. In fact, we could even turn the streets themselves into free car parking, and single handedly send the economy through the roof.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the current Park and Ride schemes and their empty buses only add to congestion. Shoppers, workers and visitors to the City are the lifeblood of the local economy but are seen by both Worcestershire and Worcester City Councils as a problem and as such are poorly treated and used as cash cows. Thanks to poor decision making by our Councils and vested interests, we still haven't got what we really need, a ring road. brooksider
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9:13am Sat 3 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City.
And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City. Jabbadad
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9:25am Sat 3 Nov 12

Hwicce says...

I'm in Claines Ward and I WANT the ring road finished so don't tar us all will the same brush.
I'm in Claines Ward and I WANT the ring road finished so don't tar us all will the same brush. Hwicce
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9:28am Sat 3 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Well done for posting and apologies.
Wish you could convince many others in Claines.
Well done for posting and apologies. Wish you could convince many others in Claines. Jabbadad
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9:47am Sat 3 Nov 12

Sarah M says...

julie allsopp wrote:
AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.
I agree about the Wardens. I used a virtually empty St Martins Gate a few months ago and as I returned to my car a traffic warden was loitering by it. I knew this as mine was the only car there.... I was early so tough luck to her but it is harrassment and it has put me off using the car park again. I would guess they are only lowering the prices to entrap more victims. It wouldn't be to benefit the shopper.
[quote][p][bold]julie allsopp[/bold] wrote: AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.[/p][/quote]I agree about the Wardens. I used a virtually empty St Martins Gate a few months ago and as I returned to my car a traffic warden was loitering by it. I knew this as mine was the only car there.... I was early so tough luck to her but it is harrassment and it has put me off using the car park again. I would guess they are only lowering the prices to entrap more victims. It wouldn't be to benefit the shopper. Sarah M
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9:55am Sat 3 Nov 12

Sarah M says...

Omicron wrote:
julie allsopp wrote:
AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.
I remember when the council introduced charging after 6.00pm. I think it was about 1992 or 93. The charge was only 20p. The charge had been in force for about a week before Worcester Tech had their enrolment evening(s). I took my daughter down to enroll and parked on the Copenhagen Street car park behind the college at about 6.30 in the evening. Luckily I knew about the charge and duly paid my 20p. There were many others who were not aware that this charge of 20p was now payable. The officials were out in force making a killing on the many people who were using the car park that particular evening as no doubt they knew that the car park would be well used.
So, what I did was to go and stand by the car park entrance and flag down every car and tell the driver what was happening and that they needed to pay 20p to avoid a ticket. One of the "officials" came up to me and told me to stop as I was being obstructive and that he would call the police if I continued to warn people. With that I took two steps forward so I was standing on the footpath of the highway and not council property and promptly told the official to get stuffed.
A police officer duly arrived and decided that I was actually not committing any offence.
Love it. I hope the Police had a few words with the ticketing officer or whatever they are called about wasting their time. They are employed by the Council (wages paid by us). And should be providing the taxpayer with a service i.e ridding the streets of illegally parked cars. Making driving safer, not using us as a cash cow.
[quote][p][bold]Omicron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]julie allsopp[/bold] wrote: AND, why do folks have to pay after 6 o'clock? We went into town with our daughter in law(b lue badge holder) and saw 3 yes 3 traffic wardens patrolling all together. Together, not singly. They have to be paid. It just doesn't make sense.[/p][/quote]I remember when the council introduced charging after 6.00pm. I think it was about 1992 or 93. The charge was only 20p. The charge had been in force for about a week before Worcester Tech had their enrolment evening(s). I took my daughter down to enroll and parked on the Copenhagen Street car park behind the college at about 6.30 in the evening. Luckily I knew about the charge and duly paid my 20p. There were many others who were not aware that this charge of 20p was now payable. The officials were out in force making a killing on the many people who were using the car park that particular evening as no doubt they knew that the car park would be well used. So, what I did was to go and stand by the car park entrance and flag down every car and tell the driver what was happening and that they needed to pay 20p to avoid a ticket. One of the "officials" came up to me and told me to stop as I was being obstructive and that he would call the police if I continued to warn people. With that I took two steps forward so I was standing on the footpath of the highway and not council property and promptly told the official to get stuffed. A police officer duly arrived and decided that I was actually not committing any offence.[/p][/quote]Love it. I hope the Police had a few words with the ticketing officer or whatever they are called about wasting their time. They are employed by the Council (wages paid by us). And should be providing the taxpayer with a service i.e ridding the streets of illegally parked cars. Making driving safer, not using us as a cash cow. Sarah M
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12:08pm Sat 3 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Well done for posting and apologies.
Wish you could convince many others in Claines.
I live in Claines ward and I don't want a ring road across the river It's a daft idea, although I do agree the Hallow road could be connected to the Crown East roundabout, to bypass the University ...
I don't want MORE city centre car parking, or CHEAPER city centre car parking. I'm not saying abandon it.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Well done for posting and apologies. Wish you could convince many others in Claines.[/p][/quote]I live in Claines ward and I don't want a ring road across the river It's a daft idea, although I do agree the Hallow road could be connected to the Crown East roundabout, to bypass the University ... I don't want MORE city centre car parking, or CHEAPER city centre car parking. I'm not saying abandon it. mr_wilson15
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5:36pm Sat 3 Nov 12

Karl Hunderson says...

SAVA9E wrote:
I did laugh when it was suggested that i drive from lowerwick to perdiswell to catch the park and ride.
To go into the city centre? Perhaps you could walk?
[quote][p][bold]SAVA9E[/bold] wrote: I did laugh when it was suggested that i drive from lowerwick to perdiswell to catch the park and ride.[/p][/quote]To go into the city centre? Perhaps you could walk? Karl Hunderson
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10:54am Sun 4 Nov 12

Malaky says...

Jabbadad wrote:
And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City.
Well said Jabbadabdab.

While the people of Claines have a democratic right to defend their way of life, the rest of Worcester has a democratic right to have the will of the majority prevail.

This enpasse has to be broken, and as a first step I would like to see the Evening News doing a poll as to whether the people of Worcester City want to see completion of the ring road.

If the people of Claines have to suffer inconvenience to see improvement in lifestyle for the majority in Worcester, then that's what democracy is all about.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City.[/p][/quote]Well said Jabbadabdab. While the people of Claines have a democratic right to defend their way of life, the rest of Worcester has a democratic right to have the will of the majority prevail. This enpasse has to be broken, and as a first step I would like to see the Evening News doing a poll as to whether the people of Worcester City want to see completion of the ring road. If the people of Claines have to suffer inconvenience to see improvement in lifestyle for the majority in Worcester, then that's what democracy is all about. Malaky
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3:47pm Sun 4 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Malaky wrote:
Jabbadad wrote:
And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City.
Well said Jabbadabdab.

While the people of Claines have a democratic right to defend their way of life, the rest of Worcester has a democratic right to have the will of the majority prevail.

This enpasse has to be broken, and as a first step I would like to see the Evening News doing a poll as to whether the people of Worcester City want to see completion of the ring road.

If the people of Claines have to suffer inconvenience to see improvement in lifestyle for the majority in Worcester, then that's what democracy is all about.
Haha ... um ... NO?!
What sort of democracy to you presume we live in? One in which the powerful majority can impose an 'improvement in their lifestyle' over the minority, whose quality of life will be significantly lowered. This is NOT what democracy is about. You could argue that if the majority of the people of Claines don't want a ring road, for the benefit of their "lifestyle", then there shouldn't be one.

And as for Jabbadad, well we all know that Mr Jabba Riaz lives up the London Road anyway, so quite what say he should get, I don't know!
[quote][p][bold]Malaky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: And the reason for that has an underlying political influence. For some reason that escapes me the Principality of Claines has long been politically fought over. The Tories were happy to have a seat there until Stephen Inman scared by an ever decreasing majority chickened out and abdicated to St Stephens ward a safe (until now) Tory ward. The Lib/Lab/Dem/Tories have kept their seats by promising that they will (and they have) oppose the final bit of the badly needed ring road for Worcester. So the now unbearable traffic jams in the City will continue until the Claines influence is addressed. Just look at the reports last week about short journeys taking 90 minutes. Shame on you Claines you are slowly strangling this City.[/p][/quote]Well said Jabbadabdab. While the people of Claines have a democratic right to defend their way of life, the rest of Worcester has a democratic right to have the will of the majority prevail. This enpasse has to be broken, and as a first step I would like to see the Evening News doing a poll as to whether the people of Worcester City want to see completion of the ring road. If the people of Claines have to suffer inconvenience to see improvement in lifestyle for the majority in Worcester, then that's what democracy is all about.[/p][/quote]Haha ... um ... NO?! What sort of democracy to you presume we live in? One in which the powerful majority can impose an 'improvement in their lifestyle' [not, I note, an 'improvement in their quality of life'] over the minority, whose quality of life [again, note terminology] will be significantly lowered. This is NOT what democracy is about. You could argue that if the majority of the people of Claines don't want a ring road, for the benefit of their "lifestyle", then there shouldn't be one. And as for Jabbadad, well we all know that Mr Jabba Riaz lives up the London Road anyway, so quite what say he should get, I don't know! mr_wilson15
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5:11pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Well I am pleased you mentioned London Road, since if the people up there had behaved in such a Nimby way as those in Claines we wouldn't have the M5 and we wouldn't have the Southern part of the Ring road, which would probably mean that we all could walk to work along the roofs of the Cars jammed nose to tail throughout Worcestershire. And where would we be if those from the South side had adopted the same Claines Nimby village mentality, we would be living in a giant carpark. And I guarantee that those who oppose the most are more than happy to use the ring roads.
I am surprised they allow traffic through any village in these terrible modern days. Aint like it used to be in my young days!!!!!
Well I am pleased you mentioned London Road, since if the people up there had behaved in such a Nimby way as those in Claines we wouldn't have the M5 and we wouldn't have the Southern part of the Ring road, which would probably mean that we all could walk to work along the roofs of the Cars jammed nose to tail throughout Worcestershire. And where would we be if those from the South side had adopted the same Claines Nimby village mentality, we would be living in a giant carpark. And I guarantee that those who oppose the most are more than happy to use the ring roads. I am surprised they allow traffic through any village in these terrible modern days. Aint like it used to be in my young days!!!!! Jabbadad
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7:57pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Malaky says...

The question remains.

Why should the inhabitants of Claines force the rest of the City of Worcester to suffer a much worse quality of life, just to allow them to live in the same way as they always did?

The privileged minority rights overrule the majority?
Or, the majority rights overrule the privileged minority?

This battle has to become engaged to enable the majority of Worcester people to enjoy the quality of life they are entitled to enjoy; not having to have the Claines super-class over-rule their wishes!

Incidentally, I live in the Claines Parish, and I detest the attitude of the super-class who look down on the plebs of the rest of Worcester!
The question remains. Why should the inhabitants of Claines force the rest of the City of Worcester to suffer a much worse quality of life, just to allow them to live in the same way as they always did? The privileged minority rights overrule the majority? Or, the majority rights overrule the privileged minority? This battle has to become engaged to enable the majority of Worcester people to enjoy the quality of life they are entitled to enjoy; not having to have the Claines super-class over-rule their wishes! Incidentally, I live in the Claines Parish, and I detest the attitude of the super-class who look down on the plebs of the rest of Worcester! Malaky
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11:18am Mon 5 Nov 12

brooksider says...

The Claines super-class may look down on the rest of Worcester but they look up to the people in Bevere.
The Claines super-class may look down on the rest of Worcester but they look up to the people in Bevere. brooksider
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1:12pm Mon 5 Nov 12

MJI says...

What is wrong with using Holt Fleet bridge?
What is wrong with using Holt Fleet bridge? MJI
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7:03pm Mon 5 Nov 12

copierman says...

These new charges will not be a vote winner for me.
These new charges will not be a vote winner for me. copierman
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9:29pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Pleas tell us where you would link up to the southern ring road by using Holt Fleet bridge and how many extra miles, petrol and time would be spent.
The trip around through Holt Fleet is very pleasant in nice weather, when you have lots of time, but as a part of the transport network around Worcester NO.
Pleas tell us where you would link up to the southern ring road by using Holt Fleet bridge and how many extra miles, petrol and time would be spent. The trip around through Holt Fleet is very pleasant in nice weather, when you have lots of time, but as a part of the transport network around Worcester NO. Jabbadad
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10:10am Tue 6 Nov 12

ushmush83 says...

Allan Whitehead wrote:
jdg wrote:
Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?
How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours
£ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.
Why would you want to pay more, just so it's a round figure? If you want to pay £1, because all you have is £1, that's fine, but I'd rather pay 60p/90p.

What a silly idea.
[quote][p][bold]Allan Whitehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jdg[/bold] wrote: Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?[/p][/quote]How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours £ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.[/p][/quote]Why would you want to pay more, just so it's a round figure? If you want to pay £1, because all you have is £1, that's fine, but I'd rather pay 60p/90p. What a silly idea. ushmush83
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10:56am Tue 6 Nov 12

mayall8808 says...

Jabbadad says...
5:11pm Sun 4 Nov 12
Well I am pleased you mentioned London Road, since if the people up there had behaved in such a Nimby way as those in Claines we wouldn't have the M5 and we wouldn't have the Southern part of the Ring road,

I live at the top of London Road and we did'nt want the southern link, it has been a traffic nightmare and worse now with the Whittington roundabout mess, as reguard's the M5 that was done years ago when we had some public transport we could rely on not as now even after millions have been spent to make it better, it is non exsistant in some places.

Claines has my support, there is a road system around Worcester that should be encouraged to use before more money is wasted on bridges and link roads for the majority of people who do not even live here more over the county council will only copy what they did with the Carrington bridge and not make it wide enough.
Jabbadad says... 5:11pm Sun 4 Nov 12 Well I am pleased you mentioned London Road, since if the people up there had behaved in such a Nimby way as those in Claines we wouldn't have the M5 and we wouldn't have the Southern part of the Ring road, I live at the top of London Road and we did'nt want the southern link, it has been a traffic nightmare and worse now with the Whittington roundabout mess, as reguard's the M5 that was done years ago when we had some public transport we could rely on not as now even after millions have been spent to make it better, it is non exsistant in some places. Claines has my support, there is a road system around Worcester that should be encouraged to use before more money is wasted on bridges and link roads for the majority of people who do not even live here more over the county council will only copy what they did with the Carrington bridge and not make it wide enough. mayall8808
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10:58am Tue 6 Nov 12

mayall8808 says...

I agree with MJI the road system is already in place to use Holt Fleet, so why not use it?
I agree with MJI the road system is already in place to use Holt Fleet, so why not use it? mayall8808
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11:31am Tue 6 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic?
As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving.
So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road.
If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.
You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic? As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving. So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road. If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines. Jabbadad
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2:24pm Tue 6 Nov 12

The Doosra says...

The missing part of the ring-road may (or may not) be part of the solution to our traffic congestion, but would anyone care to tell me where the money is coming from to build it?
The missing part of the ring-road may (or may not) be part of the solution to our traffic congestion, but would anyone care to tell me where the money is coming from to build it? The Doosra
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2:37pm Tue 6 Nov 12

brooksider says...

The Doosra wrote:
The missing part of the ring-road may (or may not) be part of the solution to our traffic congestion, but would anyone care to tell me where the money is coming from to build it?
Central and Regional Government should pay as a ring road around Worcester City will provide economic benefits for both Herefordshire and Shropshire as well as Worcestershire.

How will Government afford it?
They could make some effort in stopping tax evasion.
[quote][p][bold]The Doosra[/bold] wrote: The missing part of the ring-road may (or may not) be part of the solution to our traffic congestion, but would anyone care to tell me where the money is coming from to build it?[/p][/quote]Central and Regional Government should pay as a ring road around Worcester City will provide economic benefits for both Herefordshire and Shropshire as well as Worcestershire. How will Government afford it? They could make some effort in stopping tax evasion. brooksider
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3:01pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Omicron says...

ushmush83 wrote:
Allan Whitehead wrote:
jdg wrote: Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?
How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours £ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.
Why would you want to pay more, just so it's a round figure? If you want to pay £1, because all you have is £1, that's fine, but I'd rather pay 60p/90p. What a silly idea.
About three years ago (I think) the machines in the city car parks were actually programmed to adjust the parking time allowed relative to the amount of money one put into the machine. This was abandoned in the name of progress.
Another thing that pee's me off is the fact that if I want to give the remainder of my parking ticket to somebody else then I should be allowed to do it. If I have paid for that unused portion of time then as far as I'm concerned it belongs to me until the time on the ticket expires.
[quote][p][bold]ushmush83[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Allan Whitehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jdg[/bold] wrote: Can they also make the charges "coin logical". I take the example of St Martins. Charge is 90p an hour. My daughter wanted 3hours but only had £1 coins. These machine do not give change, so still cost her £3 !! How much 'profit' have these car parks earned in the past years from this 'no change' scheme?[/p][/quote]How correct you are, surely the council should provide machines that give change. I once complained about the stupidity of machines, that as a tariff which is not easily dived by 50. I actually suggested that they make a tariff of 50p per half hour with £1.00 per hour £2.00 for two hours £ 2.50 for 3hours. Then jumping to £4.00 for 4 hours to 6 hours with 24 hour parking being priced at £5.00. I am still awaiting a reply.[/p][/quote]Why would you want to pay more, just so it's a round figure? If you want to pay £1, because all you have is £1, that's fine, but I'd rather pay 60p/90p. What a silly idea.[/p][/quote]About three years ago (I think) the machines in the city car parks were actually programmed to adjust the parking time allowed relative to the amount of money one put into the machine. This was abandoned in the name of progress. Another thing that pee's me off is the fact that if I want to give the remainder of my parking ticket to somebody else then I should be allowed to do it. If I have paid for that unused portion of time then as far as I'm concerned it belongs to me until the time on the ticket expires. Omicron
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5:01pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Jabbadad says...

Yes I agree about unspent ticket time. Just a few years ago when you visited Newtown Hospital you would find such tickets stuck to the ticket machines by very thoughtful previous parkers for the use of those who followed. And when you consider that that parking space had been duly paid for it was of wrong of the Hospital to stop this by introducing / forcing registration numbers to be required on the tickets. Their defense was it was their property their rules. When really it was their rules their greed. .
Yes I agree about unspent ticket time. Just a few years ago when you visited Newtown Hospital you would find such tickets stuck to the ticket machines by very thoughtful previous parkers for the use of those who followed. And when you consider that that parking space had been duly paid for it was of wrong of the Hospital to stop this by introducing / forcing registration numbers to be required on the tickets. Their defense was it was their property their rules. When really it was their rules their greed. . Jabbadad
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6:16pm Tue 6 Nov 12

DarrenM says...

Also why has no-one noticed that after the machines stopped giving change or allowing pro-rata over payment the charges were then altered to the amounts that people were most statistically unlikely to have exact change for, and force overpayment?

On that basis parking in Worcester has actually been more expensive than the published tariffs would have you believe.
Also why has no-one noticed that after the machines stopped giving change or allowing pro-rata over payment the charges were then altered to the amounts that people were most statistically unlikely to have exact change for, and force overpayment? On that basis parking in Worcester has actually been more expensive than the published tariffs would have you believe. DarrenM
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9:28pm Tue 6 Nov 12

Malaky says...

Jabbadad wrote:
Yes I agree about unspent ticket time. Just a few years ago when you visited Newtown Hospital you would find such tickets stuck to the ticket machines by very thoughtful previous parkers for the use of those who followed. And when you consider that that parking space had been duly paid for it was of wrong of the Hospital to stop this by introducing / forcing registration numbers to be required on the tickets. Their defense was it was their property their rules. When really it was their rules their greed. .
I am getting worried as I find myself agreeing more and more with Jabbadad.

However, the lack of morality in the local and national NHS is quite disturbing.

In Liverpool, over 60, then they'll charge you for parking and then stick you on a "channel" to murder you!

Thankfully, even the Worcester HA accountants haven't got involved with that one yet!

But keep your eyes open, our local health authorities are not renowned for their Christian beliefs!
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: Yes I agree about unspent ticket time. Just a few years ago when you visited Newtown Hospital you would find such tickets stuck to the ticket machines by very thoughtful previous parkers for the use of those who followed. And when you consider that that parking space had been duly paid for it was of wrong of the Hospital to stop this by introducing / forcing registration numbers to be required on the tickets. Their defense was it was their property their rules. When really it was their rules their greed. .[/p][/quote]I am getting worried as I find myself agreeing more and more with Jabbadad. However, the lack of morality in the local and national NHS is quite disturbing. In Liverpool, over 60, then they'll charge you for parking and then stick you on a "channel" to murder you! Thankfully, even the Worcester HA accountants haven't got involved with that one yet! But keep your eyes open, our local health authorities are not renowned for their Christian beliefs! Malaky
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9:13am Wed 7 Nov 12

imustbeoldiwearacap says...

More and more we are becoming dependent on the car. Instead of using buses and trains we prefer the car - so that both bus and train services are cut, so then there is a need to use the car more. But we have also become lazier - using the car when we could walk - have you noticed how motorists at retail parks will "q" for a parking spot close to the shop entrance when there are plenty of free spaces only a short walk away? Worcester city has too few bridges to cross the river thus there are the bottlenecks we all have to negotiate. Parking is an issue - many residential streets near to the centre are clogged with commuters cars during the working day (and shoppers at the weekend) The park and ride don't really work because the roads are not wide enough to create a dedicated bus lane all the way into the city. The solution (it's expensive! A new road bridge at the end of Tybridge Street - create a new one way system to make the two city bridges one way. Dual and complete the ring road with a new road bridge north of the city. And as for parking - lets have Worcester Parkway at Norton (with lots of parking) - and have a regular cheap shuttle trains into Shrub Hill. Create "residents only" parking zones and make long term parking expensive - forcing them to use the Parkway or other P&R!
More and more we are becoming dependent on the car. Instead of using buses and trains we prefer the car - so that both bus and train services are cut, so then there is a need to use the car more. But we have also become lazier - using the car when we could walk - have you noticed how motorists at retail parks will "q" for a parking spot close to the shop entrance when there are plenty of free spaces only a short walk away? Worcester city has too few bridges to cross the river thus there are the bottlenecks we all have to negotiate. Parking is an issue - many residential streets near to the centre are clogged with commuters cars during the working day (and shoppers at the weekend) The park and ride don't really work because the roads are not wide enough to create a dedicated bus lane all the way into the city. The solution (it's expensive! A new road bridge at the end of Tybridge Street - create a new one way system to make the two city bridges one way. Dual and complete the ring road with a new road bridge north of the city. And as for parking - lets have Worcester Parkway at Norton (with lots of parking) - and have a regular cheap shuttle trains into Shrub Hill. Create "residents only" parking zones and make long term parking expensive - forcing them to use the Parkway or other P&R! imustbeoldiwearacap
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10:24am Wed 7 Nov 12

MJI says...

Jabbadad wrote:
You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic?
As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving.
So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road.
If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.
Use it once or twice a week or so, a very pleasant route and easy to get to North side of St Johns.
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Even coming back from Malvern, only small road is the one from Broadheath to Hallow.
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic? As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving. So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road. If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.[/p][/quote]Use it once or twice a week or so, a very pleasant route and easy to get to North side of St Johns. . Even coming back from Malvern, only small road is the one from Broadheath to Hallow. MJI
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9:57pm Wed 7 Nov 12

truereviewer says...

I can park in the middle of Birmingham for £3.00 for 24 hours or free at Merry Hill with a greater selection of stores.

The people who are really suffering are the store owners and traders. Let's hope the charges encourage more people to our city centre.
I can park in the middle of Birmingham for £3.00 for 24 hours or free at Merry Hill with a greater selection of stores. The people who are really suffering are the store owners and traders. Let's hope the charges encourage more people to our city centre. truereviewer
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10:42pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Malaky says...

MJI wrote:
Jabbadad wrote:
You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic?
As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving.
So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road.
If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.
Use it once or twice a week or so, a very pleasant route and easy to get to North side of St Johns.
.
Even coming back from Malvern, only small road is the one from Broadheath to Hallow.
It would be good for democracy in Worcester if the Worcester News ran a poll on whether the populus want the Northern Ring Road link completed, and so provide a full ringroad around our Medeival city.

Come on Evening News, please take up the challenge!
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic? As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving. So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road. If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.[/p][/quote]Use it once or twice a week or so, a very pleasant route and easy to get to North side of St Johns. . Even coming back from Malvern, only small road is the one from Broadheath to Hallow.[/p][/quote]It would be good for democracy in Worcester if the Worcester News ran a poll on whether the populus want the Northern Ring Road link completed, and so provide a full ringroad around our Medeival city. Come on Evening News, please take up the challenge! Malaky
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5:39pm Thu 8 Nov 12

mr_wilson15 says...

Jabbadad wrote:
You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic?
As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving.
So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road.
If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.
What do you mean additional? They're rarely badly congested at the moment, and no-one's stopping anyone from taking that route to get to Kiddy etc from St Johns ...
[quote][p][bold]Jabbadad[/bold] wrote: You can't really expect the narrow roads through Holt Heath and Hallow to take a serious additional amount of traffic? As to the southern ring road. I use this several times a week and sometimes per day, and apart from the **** ups by the last alterations it has hardly ever been a problem, and when it was it was due to some idiot or selfish driver who didn't realise that filtering is the answer to keeping traffic moving. So back to Claines,Worcester (97,000 people plus all the thousands of through traffic daily) need a Northern section of the circular road. If we are to react to democracy, put it to the vote for the whole city not just the few hundred in Claines.[/p][/quote]What do you mean additional? They're rarely badly congested at the moment, and no-one's stopping anyone from taking that route to get to Kiddy etc from St Johns ... mr_wilson15
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