Council chiefs vow to fight for better deal

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CUTS to school funding across Worcestershire have been controversially approved – with the worst-hit facing reductions of up to eight per cent next year.

The county council has agreed to adopt a new Government formula for the 2013/14 year, which means drastic reductions for mainly rural schools.

The cabinet admitted “there will be winners and losers” under the cuts, but said it was reluctantly following instructions from the Department for Education in simplifying the grant awards process.

But the authority has stopped short of agreeing the same system for the 2014/15 academic year, and says it will have more time to lobby the Government on future funding arrangements to try and get a better outcome.

As the Worcester News revealed last week, some schools face cuts of up to 40 per cent unless the county fights for a better outcome.

The only thing stopping cuts of up to 40 per cent being implemented now is a minimum funding guarantee (MFG).

Councillor Adrian Hardman, council leader, said: “Twenty years ago we were mid-table in a league table of school funding in the country – now we’re virtually bottom.”

For the full story and reaction, see tomorrow's Worcester News.

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1:26pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MrsStJohns says...

Luff, Walker, Baldwin, Garnier

Hang your heads in shame, your silence is deafening.
Luff, Walker, Baldwin, Garnier Hang your heads in shame, your silence is deafening. MrsStJohns
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2:08pm Thu 18 Oct 12

More Tea Vicar says...

Well said.

Walker, Baldwin - come on, let's have some comment from you.

This is YOUR government, and you're staying in it.

How dare these people do this? They are part of the government party. They can't deny responsibility. But they will.

And still Ms Haines draws her mega-salary, and our money gets wasted on the South Worcs 'Development' Plan, and salaries for the parasites involved.
Well said. Walker, Baldwin - come on, let's have some comment from you. This is YOUR government, and you're staying in it. How dare these people do this? They are part of the government party. They can't deny responsibility. But they will. And still Ms Haines draws her mega-salary, and our money gets wasted on the South Worcs 'Development' Plan, and salaries for the parasites involved. More Tea Vicar
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2:13pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Mrfade says...

"Hang your heads in shame, your silence is deafening.”

Don't forget the predominantly Tory CC cabinet. They are not concerned to waste allegedly £1 billion of council tax payers money on a mass burn incinerator that is not needed.
"Hang your heads in shame, your silence is deafening.” Don't forget the predominantly Tory CC cabinet. They are not concerned to waste allegedly £1 billion of council tax payers money on a mass burn incinerator that is not needed. Mrfade
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2:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Karl Hunderson says...

Harriet Baldwin has not been silent on this matter - she was on Twitter this morning boasting about all the cuts her government has made.
Harriet Baldwin has not been silent on this matter - she was on Twitter this morning boasting about all the cuts her government has made. Karl Hunderson
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3:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Frank13 says...

I taught for many years in Birmingham inner city schools and because they were in areas of deprivation they were always well funded-and that was before the pupil premium. The schools also had good sports facilities, even in the middle of a large city, often with at least one astroturf pitch.

Rural schools have suffered from a general decline in pupil numbers. The balance between sustaining local communities and having large enough schools to provide a wide enough curriculum has been an issue for many years.

Regarding funding generally, some of the posters seem to think we are still in the 'boom' years when we are not. Funding will be tight for many years.
I taught for many years in Birmingham inner city schools and because they were in areas of deprivation they were always well funded-and that was before the pupil premium. The schools also had good sports facilities, even in the middle of a large city, often with at least one astroturf pitch. Rural schools have suffered from a general decline in pupil numbers. The balance between sustaining local communities and having large enough schools to provide a wide enough curriculum has been an issue for many years. Regarding funding generally, some of the posters seem to think we are still in the 'boom' years when we are not. Funding will be tight for many years. Frank13
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3:44pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Jabbadad says...

Come on Frank13 as a teacher you of all people should take your Tory hat off for one moment and act on behalf of the Children in Worcestershire. This County as described by Adrian have been underfunded for years by both governments. And I recall much bleating from the Tories during the years from 1997 about the funding issues.
What we need over this issue is to have cross-party support over these children who are our futures and show some political decency.
I hope that Harriett and Robin are rewarded come Election times.
Come on Frank13 as a teacher you of all people should take your Tory hat off for one moment and act on behalf of the Children in Worcestershire. This County as described by Adrian have been underfunded for years by both governments. And I recall much bleating from the Tories during the years from 1997 about the funding issues. What we need over this issue is to have cross-party support over these children who are our futures and show some political decency. I hope that Harriett and Robin are rewarded come Election times. Jabbadad
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4:22pm Thu 18 Oct 12

induby says...

absolutely disgusting!!

typical Tories again!, you increase the age limit that children have to stay in school from 16 to 18 compulsory, yet reduce the funding! how can that possibly make sense?... MORE FULL TIME CHILDREN ...LESS FUNDING????

what planet are you people on?

And when parents try to make things better for their kids by creating free schools in the area they are denied by the government.

Then the government change the GCSE's so that 1000's have to retake this year

And now they are changing the format of these qualifications.

absolute disaster!!!

GET THE TORIES OUT OF THIS COUNCIL!!!
absolutely disgusting!! typical Tories again!, you increase the age limit that children have to stay in school from 16 to 18 compulsory, yet reduce the funding! how can that possibly make sense?... MORE FULL TIME CHILDREN ...LESS FUNDING???? what planet are you people on? And when parents try to make things better for their kids by creating free schools in the area they are denied by the government. Then the government change the GCSE's so that 1000's have to retake this year And now they are changing the format of these qualifications. absolute disaster!!! GET THE TORIES OUT OF THIS COUNCIL!!! induby
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4:56pm Thu 18 Oct 12

timevans says...

No more jollies to Tanzania, darn it!
No more jollies to Tanzania, darn it! timevans
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5:26pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Frank13 says...

This country is broke-'fair' funding means taking money from the cities and directing it to shire counties. Fine by me as I'm not convinced the schools I taught in were massively improved by the extra funding. A strong senior management, with the quality of the headteacher being vital and well-trained staff (and parental support helps) are the foundation of an excellent school. But of course, no part of England will like losing funding in order to support rural schools.

The County has subsidised small rural schools at the expense of larger ones for some years and now the government has changed this. There will be 'winners' as well as loser schools. There is a 'minimum funding guarantee' that no school will lose no more than 1.5% and I learned from Robin Walker MP that this will be extended to future years. I don't think cuts of 40% or even close to that are correct.
This country is broke-'fair' funding means taking money from the cities and directing it to shire counties. Fine by me as I'm not convinced the schools I taught in were massively improved by the extra funding. A strong senior management, with the quality of the headteacher being vital and well-trained staff (and parental support helps) are the foundation of an excellent school. But of course, no part of England will like losing funding in order to support rural schools. The County has subsidised small rural schools at the expense of larger ones for some years and now the government has changed this. There will be 'winners' as well as loser schools. There is a 'minimum funding guarantee' that no school will lose no more than 1.5% and I learned from Robin Walker MP that this will be extended to future years. I don't think cuts of 40% or even close to that are correct. Frank13
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5:29pm Thu 18 Oct 12

namcap says...

This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!! namcap
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5:56pm Thu 18 Oct 12

uptonX says...

The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better.
The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better. uptonX
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6:23pm Thu 18 Oct 12

namcap says...

I must admit, teachers do seem to have the attitude of being better than the rest. What about all the teacher training days they have! What are they training for? There is another one coming up that is tagged on to the weeks holiday.
I must admit, teachers do seem to have the attitude of being better than the rest. What about all the teacher training days they have! What are they training for? There is another one coming up that is tagged on to the weeks holiday. namcap
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6:56pm Thu 18 Oct 12

timevans says...

Its a simple question of economics. the economy has shrunk by around 5% over the last 5 years. So quite simply budgets need to be cut by 5%. Only its not that simple. Some of the previous budgets were financed by borrowing, this is unsustainable so we have to cut that as well. Oh and we also have to pay back all the money we borrowed to prop up the banks and ultimately the whole economic system we have live under.

Its a harsh reality that spending can only be financed by 3 things. Tax (which stiffles growth). borrowing (which is no longer available) and printing money (which we're reluctantly doing to prop up the system but dare not do anymore) In the old days we used to steal our wealth from the colonies, I suggest that option is also closed to us
Its a simple question of economics. the economy has shrunk by around 5% over the last 5 years. So quite simply budgets need to be cut by 5%. Only its not that simple. Some of the previous budgets were financed by borrowing, this is unsustainable so we have to cut that as well. Oh and we also have to pay back all the money we borrowed to prop up the banks and ultimately the whole economic system we have live under. Its a harsh reality that spending can only be financed by 3 things. Tax (which stiffles growth). borrowing (which is no longer available) and printing money (which we're reluctantly doing to prop up the system but dare not do anymore) In the old days we used to steal our wealth from the colonies, I suggest that option is also closed to us timevans
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7:02pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Hack says...

Perhaps teachers need to offer a 5%cut in wages and headteachers 10%. Oh heck, just woke up. Is this a dream?
Perhaps teachers need to offer a 5%cut in wages and headteachers 10%. Oh heck, just woke up. Is this a dream? Hack
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7:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12

MRS. S says...

I was at the meeting at Worcester today
Some village schools will be taking cuts of nearly 40% over the next two years.

The " 'minimum funding guarantee" is not true! We have gone over the numbers many times and they really dont add up.

Most of these small school have Good and Outstanding Ofsted reports. They are also the heart of most of the small villages.
Local to me, your talking about closing 17 schools. They cannot afford the cuts. Where will all those children go? How will they travel to school? How can the already oversubscribed schools in the bigger towns take more children.
Its going to be horrendous. Im very worried and desperately saddened after todays meeting.
I was at the meeting at Worcester today Some village schools will be taking cuts of nearly 40% over the next two years. The " 'minimum funding guarantee" is not true! We have gone over the numbers many times and they really dont add up. Most of these small school have Good and Outstanding Ofsted reports. They are also the heart of most of the small villages. Local to me, your talking about closing 17 schools. They cannot afford the cuts. Where will all those children go? How will they travel to school? How can the already oversubscribed schools in the bigger towns take more children. Its going to be horrendous. Im very worried and desperately saddened after todays meeting. MRS. S
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11:07pm Thu 18 Oct 12

katharinesim says...

Frank, the Minimum Funding Guarantee and the maximum 1.5% cut is only guaranteed for the next two years. After 2015, our local school IS facing a near 20% cut in budget. There's been a bit of back tracking now, and they're saying they are going to extend the MFG to help schools cope with the "rate of change", but they haven't said what the MFG is going to be after 2015. So we're facing a big budget cut which may well force the school to close in the very near future. Where would our 70 pupils go, especially as the majority of our neighbouring schools are facing cuts too? We have some children going to school who are only just 4 (still 3 on 30 August). Would you fancy putting your 4 year old on a school bus, to go to a city centre school that has escaped the cuts? Or would we like another 50 or so parents to get into cars (if they have them) to do the school run! It probably wouldn't matter so much if Worcestershire wasn't one of the most poorly funded education authorities in the country (147th out of 151 I believe). Our funding per pupil, as I understand it, is already about £1000 lower per pupil than the national average. We have a great local school with a great reputation and it's providing our children with a great education. It just doesn't seem fair that our children should suffer. If we're losing, I'd like to know who is gaining, and do they really need the extra money?
Frank, the Minimum Funding Guarantee and the maximum 1.5% cut is only guaranteed for the next two years. After 2015, our local school IS facing a near 20% cut in budget. There's been a bit of back tracking now, and they're saying they are going to extend the MFG to help schools cope with the "rate of change", but they haven't said what the MFG is going to be after 2015. So we're facing a big budget cut which may well force the school to close in the very near future. Where would our 70 pupils go, especially as the majority of our neighbouring schools are facing cuts too? We have some children going to school who are only just 4 (still 3 on 30 August). Would you fancy putting your 4 year old on a school bus, to go to a city centre school that has escaped the cuts? Or would we like another 50 or so parents to get into cars (if they have them) to do the school run! It probably wouldn't matter so much if Worcestershire wasn't one of the most poorly funded education authorities in the country (147th out of 151 I believe). Our funding per pupil, as I understand it, is already about £1000 lower per pupil than the national average. We have a great local school with a great reputation and it's providing our children with a great education. It just doesn't seem fair that our children should suffer. If we're losing, I'd like to know who is gaining, and do they really need the extra money? katharinesim
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11:30pm Thu 18 Oct 12

cbeardwood says...

It wasn't supposed to be like this! Peter Luff, bless him, and a lady called Mrs Brunner, led a highly vitriolic campaign against the Labour Government for treating Worcestershire so unfairly and they said a Tory government would put matters right.

Oh dear whatever went wrong!!
It wasn't supposed to be like this! Peter Luff, bless him, and a lady called Mrs Brunner, led a highly vitriolic campaign against the Labour Government for treating Worcestershire so unfairly and they said a Tory government would put matters right. Oh dear whatever went wrong!! cbeardwood
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7:20am Fri 19 Oct 12

spider666 says...

Are we not supposed to invest in our children,after all they are our future.Yes we need cuts due to the crisis this country of ours is in but some things need to be left alone and this i believe is one of them.
Are we not supposed to invest in our children,after all they are our future.Yes we need cuts due to the crisis this country of ours is in but some things need to be left alone and this i believe is one of them. spider666
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8:20am Fri 19 Oct 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

namcap wrote:
This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
[quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone! Arthur Blenkinsop
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8:24am Fri 19 Oct 12

MJI says...

Where is the money coming from?
Where is the money coming from? MJI
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8:29am Fri 19 Oct 12

spider666 says...

Our pockets,simple as that---mine are nearly empty now so i'm beyond caring,if i haven't got it they can't get it.
Our pockets,simple as that---mine are nearly empty now so i'm beyond caring,if i haven't got it they can't get it. spider666
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8:33am Fri 19 Oct 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

MJI wrote:
Where is the money coming from?
I hear Tony Blair is down to his last few million - perhaps he could chip in!
[quote][p][bold]MJI[/bold] wrote: Where is the money coming from?[/p][/quote]I hear Tony Blair is down to his last few million - perhaps he could chip in! Arthur Blenkinsop
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8:34am Fri 19 Oct 12

truth must out says...

Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
namcap wrote:
This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so
oner they get voted out the better.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone![/p][/quote]Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better. truth must out
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9:11am Fri 19 Oct 12

SMC73 says...

I seem to recall a certain Mrs Baldwin reassuring a concerned parent of Longdon St Marys Primary School that the school "wouldn't be closing"...within a matter of months it was gone.

Equally only after the fight had been lost, did Mrs Baldwin "get involved" and that, as usual, was purely for a goodwill publicity photo shoot!

Yes, tough decisions need to be made, but not at the expense of jeopardising future generations.

And the comments and generalisations voiced against teachers (Messrs Namcap and uptonX) are, shall we say, a little misguided at best.
I seem to recall a certain Mrs Baldwin reassuring a concerned parent of Longdon St Marys Primary School that the school "wouldn't be closing"...within a matter of months it was gone. Equally only after the fight had been lost, did Mrs Baldwin "get involved" and that, as usual, was purely for a goodwill publicity photo shoot! Yes, tough decisions need to be made, but not at the expense of jeopardising future generations. And the comments and generalisations voiced against teachers (Messrs Namcap and uptonX) are, shall we say, a little misguided at best. SMC73
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9:17am Fri 19 Oct 12

Jabbadad says...

Well the Tories are strongly represented at County hall, with a huge majority and those from the counties who are facing school closures or staff cuts until they become nonviable, are to blame since you voted them into power. There cannot be democracy when one party or the other has such a large majority, issues just become political posturing, since no matter what, those with this huge majority will win the day. And to hear the Tory supporters still trying to lay blame on anyone except their own government is now wearing thin.
So by all means blame the world economic down turn on the previous government, then ask yourself ignoring the false War in Iraq, since all politicians voted to enter Iraq, just as they are content to still commit our brave Men & Women into Afghanistan without adequate equipment, and gain solace from announcing in Parliament the names of those still being killed by Terrorists, was it worse or better from 1997?
Well the Tories are strongly represented at County hall, with a huge majority and those from the counties who are facing school closures or staff cuts until they become nonviable, are to blame since you voted them into power. There cannot be democracy when one party or the other has such a large majority, issues just become political posturing, since no matter what, those with this huge majority will win the day. And to hear the Tory supporters still trying to lay blame on anyone except their own government is now wearing thin. So by all means blame the world economic down turn on the previous government, then ask yourself ignoring the false War in Iraq, since all politicians voted to enter Iraq, just as they are content to still commit our brave Men & Women into Afghanistan without adequate equipment, and gain solace from announcing in Parliament the names of those still being killed by Terrorists, was it worse or better from 1997? Jabbadad
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9:18am Fri 19 Oct 12

induby says...

"Arthur Blenkinsop",

I'm not defending labour!, but I don't think it would of mattered who was in government when the recession hit, the fact is the result would of been the same, just like plenty of other countries in the world who didn't fair well, irrespective of who was in charge and what they did.
However the conservatives came in with the promise that they were going to fix it all! they were going to reduce the deficit, reduce borrowing, produce more growth in the economy and make work pay and many, many more promises that they have not only not delivered/kept but in fact if it is worse than ever!,
why did they stop taxing the rich? saying they didn't need the pittance it made for the economy??, yet take away from the disabled,elderly,edu
cation,NHS and more ???,
why when children in this country ,live in poverty and families struggle to make ends meet after working all the hours god sends ..... does this government not only pay more money than any other country in the world to vaccinate children in places like India they also give them 40 million in aid?

The fact is normal people ( you know the majority of us who don't earn £25,000 +) are worse off than we have ever been in our lives and yet the rich are better off than they have been in years.
I'm getting tired of watching the news every morning and reading the paper everyday to hear of more and more incompetence and failures by the conservatives.
In just the last 2 days alone we have had..... local cuts to school funding, Cameron telling people about forcing energy companies to give people best deal,which was lies!, thousands of disabled people loosing out because of new benefit system,the Andrew Mitchell shame! and more expenses scandal as MP's are renting there government funded homes to other MPs who use government funds to pay that!! effectively making the taxpayer pay twice on the same property at the same time (and I can guarantee we are not talking a few quid here).
"Arthur Blenkinsop", I'm not defending labour!, but I don't think it would of mattered who was in government when the recession hit, the fact is the result would of been the same, just like plenty of other countries in the world who didn't fair well, irrespective of who was in charge and what they did. However the conservatives came in with the promise that they were going to fix it all! they were going to reduce the deficit, reduce borrowing, produce more growth in the economy and make work pay and many, many more promises that they have not only not delivered/kept but in fact if it is worse than ever!, why did they stop taxing the rich? saying they didn't need the pittance it made for the economy??, yet take away from the disabled,elderly,edu cation,NHS and more ???, why when children in this country ,live in poverty and families struggle to make ends meet after working all the hours god sends ..... does this government not only pay more money than any other country in the world to vaccinate children in places like India they also give them 40 million in aid? The fact is normal people ( you know the majority of us who don't earn £25,000 +) are worse off than we have ever been in our lives and yet the rich are better off than they have been in years. I'm getting tired of watching the news every morning and reading the paper everyday to hear of more and more incompetence and failures by the conservatives. In just the last 2 days alone we have had..... local cuts to school funding, Cameron telling people about forcing energy companies to give people best deal,which was lies!, thousands of disabled people loosing out because of new benefit system,the Andrew Mitchell shame! and more expenses scandal as MP's are renting there government funded homes to other MPs who use government funds to pay that!! effectively making the taxpayer pay twice on the same property at the same time (and I can guarantee we are not talking a few quid here). induby
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9:19am Fri 19 Oct 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

truth must out wrote:
Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
namcap wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.
Presumably you worked in local government then?
I remember the labour governments of the 60s and 70s - they largely ruined the countries finances too. And, why do you expect someone else to help foot the bill for your children? ie. why should my hard-earned money go to help fund your kids?
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone![/p][/quote]Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.[/p][/quote]Presumably you worked in local government then? I remember the labour governments of the 60s and 70s - they largely ruined the countries finances too. And, why do you expect someone else to help foot the bill for your children? ie. why should my hard-earned money go to help fund your kids? Arthur Blenkinsop
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9:41am Fri 19 Oct 12

pronstar says...

Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
truth must out wrote:
Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
namcap wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.
Presumably you worked in local government then?
I remember the labour governments of the 60s and 70s - they largely ruined the countries finances too. And, why do you expect someone else to help foot the bill for your children? ie. why should my hard-earned money go to help fund your kids?
Typical Tory, doesn't want to pay for the health or education of others because they are already paying for their own.
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone![/p][/quote]Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.[/p][/quote]Presumably you worked in local government then? I remember the labour governments of the 60s and 70s - they largely ruined the countries finances too. And, why do you expect someone else to help foot the bill for your children? ie. why should my hard-earned money go to help fund your kids?[/p][/quote]Typical Tory, doesn't want to pay for the health or education of others because they are already paying for their own. pronstar
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9:53am Fri 19 Oct 12

induby says...

Don,t be ridiculous "Arthur Blenkinsop"!

That has got to be the most stupid statement I have ever heard!

we all pay into a big pot and its divided,its the simplest and fairest way we could all say that some part of what that money goes on does not benefit us directly!

E.g,1, I have never been sick a day in my life why should I pay for the NHS.

2, I don't go out after dark why should I pay for street lighting?,

3, I have never needed the police for anything why should I pay there wages?.

4,I've never had a fire why should I pay for fire services?.

5,I'm never going to be unemployed at any point in my life why should I pay national insurance contributions?.

6,Ive never used a train why should any of my tax subsidise the railways?

OR YOURS,I have never been to school or had children who have.. why should I pay for education???

IDIOT!!!!!
Don,t be ridiculous "Arthur Blenkinsop"! That has got to be the most stupid statement I have ever heard! we all pay into a big pot and its divided,its the simplest and fairest way we could all say that some part of what that money goes on does not benefit us directly! E.g,1, I have never been sick a day in my life why should I pay for the NHS. 2, I don't go out after dark why should I pay for street lighting?, 3, I have never needed the police for anything why should I pay there wages?. 4,I've never had a fire why should I pay for fire services?. 5,I'm never going to be unemployed at any point in my life why should I pay national insurance contributions?. 6,Ive never used a train why should any of my tax subsidise the railways? OR YOURS,I have never been to school or had children who have.. why should I pay for education??? IDIOT!!!!! induby
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10:24am Fri 19 Oct 12

Landy44 says...

I've no problem with the principles of the cuts here. From what I can see the schools spend a chunk of money on things that are not educational (foreign exchange trips for teachers for one!)

What I do have a problem with is the lack of equality of the cuts. I do not see that "deprived areas" should get more investment. The investment should be level across the board according to the number of pupils in a school.

That probably means we need (regrettably) to consolidate some rural schools (Upton Snodsbury was on the news a lot yesterday. Flyford Flavell, and Pinvin are also within spitting distance - do we NEED three schools that close together?) to achieve some economies of scale. It's not something I'd be happy about, but it's a logical step given the economic reality.

The government cuts overall are overdue, not deep enough and most importantly of all - are in the wrong places! They need to cull some senior and middle management in virtually every public sector body and stop hitting the people at the coalface so hard! Ask yourself - who decides where the cuts happen? Turkeys don't vote for Christmas do they?
I've no problem with the principles of the cuts here. From what I can see the schools spend a chunk of money on things that are not educational (foreign exchange trips for teachers for one!) What I do have a problem with is the lack of equality of the cuts. I do not see that "deprived areas" should get more investment. The investment should be level across the board according to the number of pupils in a school. That probably means we need (regrettably) to consolidate some rural schools (Upton Snodsbury was on the news a lot yesterday. Flyford Flavell, and Pinvin are also within spitting distance - do we NEED three schools that close together?) to achieve some economies of scale. It's not something I'd be happy about, but it's a logical step given the economic reality. The government cuts overall are overdue, not deep enough and most importantly of all - are in the wrong places! They need to cull some senior and middle management in virtually every public sector body and stop hitting the people at the coalface so hard! Ask yourself - who decides where the cuts happen? Turkeys don't vote for Christmas do they? Landy44
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10:53am Fri 19 Oct 12

More Tea Vicar says...

truth must out wrote:
Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
namcap wrote:
This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so

oner they get voted out the better.
I'm not speaking up for the Tories, but in fairness to them, considering we are in a crisis, there haven't been many redundancies. Redundancies can happen at the best of times, as I know from my own experience. They can't always be blamed on the government.

Unless you were in local government, of course. But local govt did expand, at the expense of the tax payer and to the detriment of the economy, under Labour.

I wish you luck with your job hunting, though. Apart from certain people at the top of local government, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone.
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone![/p][/quote]Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.[/p][/quote]I'm not speaking up for the Tories, but in fairness to them, considering we are in a crisis, there haven't been many redundancies. Redundancies can happen at the best of times, as I know from my own experience. They can't always be blamed on the government. Unless you were in local government, of course. But local govt did expand, at the expense of the tax payer and to the detriment of the economy, under Labour. I wish you luck with your job hunting, though. Apart from certain people at the top of local government, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone. More Tea Vicar
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11:33am Fri 19 Oct 12

gemma6 says...

uptonX wrote:
The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better.
I wonder why the country isn't over run with trainee teachers with those kind of benefits? Oh, I know, because it's utter rubbish!
I work in education having worked twenty odd years in the private sector and I can tell you I have never worked so hard or for so many unpaid hours.

I have yet to see a teacher leave before 5.30 (armed with a pile of marking for the evening), many of whom have been in since 6 am.
Go into a school or college and see for yourself, uptonX before you make such sweeping, inflammatory statements.
[quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better.[/p][/quote]I wonder why the country isn't over run with trainee teachers with those kind of benefits? Oh, I know, because it's utter rubbish! I work in education having worked twenty odd years in the private sector and I can tell you I have never worked so hard or for so many unpaid hours. I have yet to see a teacher leave before 5.30 (armed with a pile of marking for the evening), many of whom have been in since 6 am. Go into a school or college and see for yourself, uptonX before you make such sweeping, inflammatory statements. gemma6
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11:34am Fri 19 Oct 12

Arthur Blenkinsop says...

Ok - 1. i am no tory, i am just sick of people whingeing and whining that they are more hard done by than anyone else. I believe in education and health for all, and it should come from the 'big pot' as you call it. And having brought up my offspring as a single parent, through two redundancies and badly paid jobs, during the last Tory reign, i know exactly how hard it is. All i would say is that instead of whining, get off your backside and do something positive and you might just find that the Lord helps those that help themselves, and don't expect everything on a silver plate.
Ok - 1. i am no tory, i am just sick of people whingeing and whining that they are more hard done by than anyone else. I believe in education and health for all, and it should come from the 'big pot' as you call it. And having brought up my offspring as a single parent, through two redundancies and badly paid jobs, during the last Tory reign, i know exactly how hard it is. All i would say is that instead of whining, get off your backside and do something positive and you might just find that the Lord helps those that help themselves, and don't expect everything on a silver plate. Arthur Blenkinsop
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11:37am Fri 19 Oct 12

Landy44 says...

Completey agree with More Tea Vicar.

@Arthur Blenkinssop - I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone and I sincerely hope your fortunes change soon, however (and I wouldn't stick up for any UK politician or goverment, they're all as bad as one another) going back to a labour government like the last one will be the nail in the coffin for this country. Things might have appeared to be going well, but the reality was they were maxing out the credit card!

As far as the current government is concerned, they're supposedly inflicting "austerity" on us to pay off the deficit.

The deficit is the amount of the credit card minimum monthly repayment we can't afford to pay! As hard as it is, lets not kid ourselves that we're suffering austerity when the debt is still going up! It's going to get far worse before it gets better. Any action any flavour of UK government takes right now will just be "rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic" - because that's what politicians do! They don't have the answers to the countries problems, so we should stop looking to them and start finding our own solutions.
Completey agree with More Tea Vicar. @Arthur Blenkinssop - I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone and I sincerely hope your fortunes change soon, however (and I wouldn't stick up for any UK politician or goverment, they're all as bad as one another) going back to a labour government like the last one will be the nail in the coffin for this country. Things might have appeared to be going well, but the reality was they were maxing out the credit card! As far as the current government is concerned, they're supposedly inflicting "austerity" on us to pay off the deficit. The deficit is the amount of the credit card minimum monthly repayment we can't afford to pay! As hard as it is, lets not kid ourselves that we're suffering austerity when the debt is still going up! It's going to get far worse before it gets better. Any action any flavour of UK government takes right now will just be "rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic" - because that's what politicians do! They don't have the answers to the countries problems, so we should stop looking to them and start finding our own solutions. Landy44
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2:28pm Fri 19 Oct 12

induby says...

"Landy44"
I understand your point, but the fact is despite all of these "austerity measures" , we borrowed more as a country this August than ever before!.
what really frustrates me is the money the government is just throwing away!
it just cost the people of this country 40 million pounds because of the failed rail line bid,which the government have admitted was their incompetence,just imagine how far that 40 million could of gone! resources for schools or facilities for disabled or supporting children's centres's, but no, that money just got thrown away!.
And why when we are in so much trouble do they stop taxing the rich so much?,
I can tell you why, because the conservatives are rich and don't like paying taxes, so they stopped it for themselves not for me, not for the country, for themselves!
I do agree we need to take austerity measures as a country, but as far as i'm concerned the measures being taken are the wrong ones, targeting the wrong area's of society.
there are lots of other places that the money could be saved from and for that matter, made from!.
did you know this conservative government awarded a contract worth billions for making trains to a German company when there was a perfectly good UK company bidding to do the same thing!, they gave the much needed work away!, this country needs investment and people need jobs and this government goes and gives it away.
its so frustrating!
"Landy44" I understand your point, but the fact is despite all of these "austerity measures" , we borrowed more as a country this August than ever before!. what really frustrates me is the money the government is just throwing away! it just cost the people of this country 40 million pounds because of the failed rail line bid,which the government have admitted was their incompetence,just imagine how far that 40 million could of gone! resources for schools or facilities for disabled or supporting children's centres's, but no, that money just got thrown away!. And why when we are in so much trouble do they stop taxing the rich so much?, I can tell you why, because the conservatives are rich and don't like paying taxes, so they stopped it for themselves not for me, not for the country, for themselves! I do agree we need to take austerity measures as a country, but as far as i'm concerned the measures being taken are the wrong ones, targeting the wrong area's of society. there are lots of other places that the money could be saved from and for that matter, made from!. did you know this conservative government awarded a contract worth billions for making trains to a German company when there was a perfectly good UK company bidding to do the same thing!, they gave the much needed work away!, this country needs investment and people need jobs and this government goes and gives it away. its so frustrating! induby
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4:31pm Fri 19 Oct 12

namcap says...

It all started to go wrong in the late 70's early 80's. The tories took over and the country went to pot!. Greed, greed greed!!. Many people coming up to retirement now consider themselves hard done by. Take a reality check and put yourselves in the position of the younger person. Most, (not all), are hard working and struggle to pay their bills. As for owning their own home it's just a fantasy.
It all started to go wrong in the late 70's early 80's. The tories took over and the country went to pot!. Greed, greed greed!!. Many people coming up to retirement now consider themselves hard done by. Take a reality check and put yourselves in the position of the younger person. Most, (not all), are hard working and struggle to pay their bills. As for owning their own home it's just a fantasy. namcap
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4:48pm Fri 19 Oct 12

namcap says...

Hang on gemma6, don't most of the working population start at 6am and finish around 6pm. It's the norm for most of us. Oh, but we don't get the 13weeks or more holiday. Four weeks if were lucky. Take a reality check!
Hang on gemma6, don't most of the working population start at 6am and finish around 6pm. It's the norm for most of us. Oh, but we don't get the 13weeks or more holiday. Four weeks if were lucky. Take a reality check! namcap
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5:23pm Fri 19 Oct 12

gemma6 says...

namcap wrote:
Hang on gemma6, don't most of the working population start at 6am and finish around 6pm. It's the norm for most of us. Oh, but we don't get the 13weeks or more holiday. Four weeks if were lucky. Take a reality check!
Do most of the population then take their work home and continue until the early hours? I expect some do and expect many don't. As I said, I worked in the private sector for many years and am in a position of being able to compare the two. I get sick of reading about the cushy life that teachers supposedly have and how everyone else works so much harder. This simply is not the case. By the way, I am not a teacher and do not get 13 weeks holiday and neither do the teachers where I work.
[quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: Hang on gemma6, don't most of the working population start at 6am and finish around 6pm. It's the norm for most of us. Oh, but we don't get the 13weeks or more holiday. Four weeks if were lucky. Take a reality check![/p][/quote]Do most of the population then take their work home and continue until the early hours? I expect some do and expect many don't. As I said, I worked in the private sector for many years and am in a position of being able to compare the two. I get sick of reading about the cushy life that teachers supposedly have and how everyone else works so much harder. This simply is not the case. By the way, I am not a teacher and do not get 13 weeks holiday and neither do the teachers where I work. gemma6
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5:41pm Fri 19 Oct 12

gemma6 says...

I would like to add that when I worked in industry I also thought that teachers' holiday and pay conditions were brilliant compared to everyone else's. How ignorant I was. Seeing first hand is a real eye opener. Are far as I am concerned they deserve every penny they get. I certainly wouldn't do their job for double their money and holidays.
I would like to add that when I worked in industry I also thought that teachers' holiday and pay conditions were brilliant compared to everyone else's. How ignorant I was. Seeing first hand is a real eye opener. Are far as I am concerned they deserve every penny they get. I certainly wouldn't do their job for double their money and holidays. gemma6
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6:43pm Fri 19 Oct 12

namcap says...

Yes you're right about the holidays. I have just checked my childrens term dates for 2012-2013 and it is more than 13 weeks!!
Yes you're right about the holidays. I have just checked my childrens term dates for 2012-2013 and it is more than 13 weeks!! namcap
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6:53pm Fri 19 Oct 12

gemma6 says...

namcap wrote:
Yes you're right about the holidays. I have just checked my childrens term dates for 2012-2013 and it is more than 13 weeks!!
That's right Namcap, the children get more than 13 weeks. Do you really believe the teachers do too? They may not be in school or college but that doesn't mean they are not working.
[quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: Yes you're right about the holidays. I have just checked my childrens term dates for 2012-2013 and it is more than 13 weeks!![/p][/quote]That's right Namcap, the children get more than 13 weeks. Do you really believe the teachers do too? They may not be in school or college but that doesn't mean they are not working. gemma6
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7:08pm Fri 19 Oct 12

Hack says...

So, no takers for a teacher salary reduction to help keep local schools open then? So, teachers work 52 weeks, even in school recess.
So, no takers for a teacher salary reduction to help keep local schools open then? So, teachers work 52 weeks, even in school recess. Hack
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10:12am Sat 20 Oct 12

legsofstone says...

There appears to be a certain contingent in society that have very little respect for the function of teachers. From reading the posts on Mr Luff it would appear that we are generally happy for MPs to have 3 months holiday (13 weeks) a year, but not teachers who I would assume provide more of a function to society than a bunch of self serving politicians.
There appears to be a certain contingent in society that have very little respect for the function of teachers. From reading the posts on Mr Luff it would appear that we are generally happy for MPs to have 3 months holiday (13 weeks) a year, but not teachers who I would assume provide more of a function to society than a bunch of self serving politicians. legsofstone
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10:57am Sat 20 Oct 12

Jabbadad says...

I think the vast majority of our teachers are a blessing. Now having to stand the antics and bad behavior, which in my school day, mainly due to parental control, was infrequent but used to carry the cane.
I see so many modern mums who allow their kids to charge around the shops / supermarkets screaming,sliding and shouting without any form of correction from their mums.
Just this week there was a little lad about 4 years old who screamed all the way around the supermarket for some 20 minutes again without any words from his mother to him or his little sister who was running around the fixtures. I did hear his mother say to another elderly lady that he (her son) was always the same in shops. What an admission? And he is soon on his way to some lucky teacher.
I think the vast majority of our teachers are a blessing. Now having to stand the antics and bad behavior, which in my school day, mainly due to parental control, was infrequent but used to carry the cane. I see so many modern mums who allow their kids to charge around the shops / supermarkets screaming,sliding and shouting without any form of correction from their mums. Just this week there was a little lad about 4 years old who screamed all the way around the supermarket for some 20 minutes again without any words from his mother to him or his little sister who was running around the fixtures. I did hear his mother say to another elderly lady that he (her son) was always the same in shops. What an admission? And he is soon on his way to some lucky teacher. Jabbadad
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7:14pm Mon 22 Oct 12

green49 says...

This is slightly off subject but this is happening in Christopher Whitehead school now!

October 21, 2012 6:28 am - author: James Delingpole
Treating Islam with special reverence is cultural suicide and just plain wrong

My brilliant niece Freya was talking to my brother the other day about the religious education curriculum at her predominately white, middle-class state school in a pretty English cathedral city. She happened to mention ‘Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him.’ ‘Eh?’ said my brother. ‘It’s what we’re taught at school. After we mention “Mohammed” we have to say “Peace be upon him”.’

from a leading journalist at the Spectator.

WHO SANCTIONED THIS?
This is slightly off subject but this is happening in Christopher Whitehead school now! October 21, 2012 6:28 am - author: James Delingpole Treating Islam with special reverence is cultural suicide and just plain wrong My brilliant niece Freya was talking to my brother the other day about the religious education curriculum at her predominately white, middle-class state school in a pretty English cathedral city. She happened to mention ‘Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him.’ ‘Eh?’ said my brother. ‘It’s what we’re taught at school. After we mention “Mohammed” we have to say “Peace be upon him”.’ from a leading journalist at the Spectator. WHO SANCTIONED THIS? green49
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11:01am Wed 24 Oct 12

BJK says...

To all those who fancy thirteen weeks holiday a year and fantastic pay and a fantastic pension then come and be a teacher. I just looked and there are currently 1576 jobs available in teaching at present. Usually in March you could treble this total. So instead of complaining about the benefits that teachers have come and join the profession there are plenty of opportunities. You too could enjoy all those lovely perks but I'm sure your aware of many reasons why its not suitable for your goodselves
To all those who fancy thirteen weeks holiday a year and fantastic pay and a fantastic pension then come and be a teacher. I just looked and there are currently 1576 jobs available in teaching at present. Usually in March you could treble this total. So instead of complaining about the benefits that teachers have come and join the profession there are plenty of opportunities. You too could enjoy all those lovely perks but I'm sure your aware of many reasons why its not suitable for your goodselves BJK
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1:51pm Wed 24 Oct 12

ushmush83 says...

truth must out wrote:
Arthur Blenkinsop wrote:
namcap wrote:
This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!!
Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone!
Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so

oner they get voted out the better.
Oh it's all about you is it? I didn't realise, sorry.
[quote][p][bold]truth must out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arthur Blenkinsop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namcap[/bold] wrote: This government is the most selfish I have ever known., oh apart from the last conservative lot. They do no favours for the vast majority of hard working people, just looking after their own. Come on everybody get out and vote next time and kick them out!![/p][/quote]Presumably you mean, the most selfish government since the last one, the one that broke the country, the one that spent every last penny without achieving anything worthwhile whatsoever, the one that left this unfortunate government such a hell of a task to do, that whatever they do, they will be slated by someone![/p][/quote]Wat a load of b***s.........I was doing really well under Labour. Since the Tories got to power I have been made redundant and lost my child tax credits.My wife's job is now under threat thanks to the savage cuts of this bungling Tory government........so oner they get voted out the better.[/p][/quote]Oh it's all about you is it? I didn't realise, sorry. ushmush83
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2:00pm Wed 24 Oct 12

ushmush83 says...

gemma6 wrote:
uptonX wrote:
The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better.
I wonder why the country isn't over run with trainee teachers with those kind of benefits? Oh, I know, because it's utter rubbish!
I work in education having worked twenty odd years in the private sector and I can tell you I have never worked so hard or for so many unpaid hours.

I have yet to see a teacher leave before 5.30 (armed with a pile of marking for the evening), many of whom have been in since 6 am.
Go into a school or college and see for yourself, uptonX before you make such sweeping, inflammatory statements.
Lie, lie, lie. First of all, it is littered with trainie teachers. There are loads of people who want to become a teacher! Secondly, I know a number of teachers, and they spend most of the many holidays twiddling their thumbs. Besides, working until 5.30pm? Crikey, that calls for a strike huh??
[quote][p][bold]gemma6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]uptonX[/bold] wrote: The coalition government are absolutely right to make brave decisions like this to try and fix the education disaster they inherited after years of left wing idealistic nonsense. The education standard of UK school leavers has dropped dramatically in recent years, this must be addressed, something, thankfully,Gove is brave enough to do. Many UK teachers seem to live on a different planet with their excellent pay, job security, huge pensions yet they work less than 200 days a year, rush home at 3:31 each day, and are always up for a strike. Rather than let them carry on with their distorted view of reality and their spitting "sack the tories" mantra lets just sack the lot, our kids deserve better.[/p][/quote]I wonder why the country isn't over run with trainee teachers with those kind of benefits? Oh, I know, because it's utter rubbish! I work in education having worked twenty odd years in the private sector and I can tell you I have never worked so hard or for so many unpaid hours. I have yet to see a teacher leave before 5.30 (armed with a pile of marking for the evening), many of whom have been in since 6 am. Go into a school or college and see for yourself, uptonX before you make such sweeping, inflammatory statements.[/p][/quote]Lie, lie, lie. First of all, it is littered with trainie teachers. There are loads of people who want to become a teacher! Secondly, I know a number of teachers, and they spend most of the many holidays twiddling their thumbs. Besides, working until 5.30pm? Crikey, that calls for a strike huh?? ushmush83
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8:38pm Wed 24 Oct 12

BJK says...

I've already said it, ushmush come and be a teacher if it's so great, just looked again now 1907 uk teaching jobs available. Again thought not, but you seem to know a lot about it, of course you once went to school. I went on a plane once, them pilots got it easy don't know how lucky they are.......with their fancy uniforms etc...
I've already said it, ushmush come and be a teacher if it's so great, just looked again now 1907 uk teaching jobs available. Again thought not, but you seem to know a lot about it, of course you once went to school. I went on a plane once, them pilots got it easy don't know how lucky they are.......with their fancy uniforms etc... BJK
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10:48pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Jabbadad says...

Well that's ushmush.
Well that's ushmush. Jabbadad
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9:41am Thu 25 Oct 12

ushmush83 says...

Well, funnily enough, I'm trying! And it's a bloody nightmare to get into! But I am trying, I'd love to be a teacher.
Well, funnily enough, I'm trying! And it's a bloody nightmare to get into! But I am trying, I'd love to be a teacher. ushmush83
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11:36am Thu 25 Oct 12

BJK says...

ushmush don't know what your subject is but I suggest helping out a local school, (get a CRB check) especially primary always begging for volunteers and then use this a basis for applying to the local uniy or gloucester or b'ham. All have great courses and while competition is present most people seem to be able to get onto a course, as long as they have shown some willing and an idea about what being a teacher actually involves. (you will get this through volunteering. I have had past students come in and not just support groups but also deliever a series of lessons) Also without being patronising it helps if you have a good 2:1 or better degree in your chosen subject. Hope that helps you in some way. Get in touch with a local school and of course good luck.

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ushmush don't know what your subject is but I suggest helping out a local school, (get a CRB check) especially primary always begging for volunteers and then use this a basis for applying to the local uniy or gloucester or b'ham. All have great courses and while competition is present most people seem to be able to get onto a course, as long as they have shown some willing and an idea about what being a teacher actually involves. (you will get this through volunteering. I have had past students come in and not just support groups but also deliever a series of lessons) Also without being patronising it helps if you have a good 2:1 or better degree in your chosen subject. Hope that helps you in some way. Get in touch with a local school and of course good luck. t BJK
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